tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4778276361957351199.post3432425578058460434..comments2024-02-29T14:12:01.955-05:00Comments on Flashback Universe Blog: Doc Savage FailJim Shelleyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05006833955333061262noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4778276361957351199.post-34416475550614125412010-05-19T10:27:19.093-04:002010-05-19T10:27:19.093-04:00....and, not to be too pedantic or anything, but D.......and, not to be too pedantic or anything, but Doc ain't blond. And he's not a Hulk, either. I've tolerated Porter's art in the past, but I just can't, this time. As a long-time Doc Savage fan, I've waited decades for someone to get it right, and have finally given up on comics succeeding. Dave Stevens was the only artist who got it right, and he couldn't even use Doc's name in the Rocketeer.<br />You're not going to appeal to fans of the character by doing a bad job depicting the character and you're not going to win new readers by doing a bad job, period. DC tried with doc, before and it fell flat, but at least they got his hair color right, that time.Joehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03343569672324167993noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4778276361957351199.post-74936430563688102010-05-13T17:24:16.689-04:002010-05-13T17:24:16.689-04:00I cringe at today's approach to comics. Absolu...I cringe at today's approach to comics. Absolutely cringe.Chris Nyehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17869513324066667446noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4778276361957351199.post-80348517427460165712010-05-06T07:13:07.003-04:002010-05-06T07:13:07.003-04:00@Cash - I agree with you about Firestorm and compa...@Cash - I agree with you about Firestorm and company. I think it's funny in an era when the top selling DC book is one helmed by a revived Silver Age version of a hero, that we still see DC willing to kill off characters so easily (Arsenal/Speed died recently did he not? Or is that upcoming)<br /><br />Here's what I think would have been the better play with Doc Savage - simply have a writer adapt one of the existing Doc novels into comics format - much in the same way that Dark Horse (and originally Marvel) adapted the Conan stories.<br /><br />I think a Hardcover illustrated version of The Land of Terror or Fortress of Solitude would have been a better appeal to the old fans.Jim Shelleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05006833955333061262noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4778276361957351199.post-78162020395687208192010-05-06T07:09:37.597-04:002010-05-06T07:09:37.597-04:00There's also the fact that the writer of First...There's also the fact that the writer of First Wave had no intention to drawing in the few old guys that were fans of Doc Savage. Even before the first issue came out, he was totally dismissal of any built in fans of the character, the actual stories and was proud of the fact that the old fans would be turned off by his book. Well, he succeeded in one regard. After giving this and First Wave a try, I told my store not to pull any from the line for me.<br /><br />And, how is a limited series like First Wave (or any series for that matter) late by the second issue?cash_gormanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12071052539938367439noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4778276361957351199.post-77909582250511400612010-05-06T07:06:23.662-04:002010-05-06T07:06:23.662-04:00@Luke -to be honest, I was unable to buy a copy of...@Luke -to be honest, I was unable to buy a copy of this comic as it was sold out here in Columbia, but from every review I read, the Avenger story was the highlight of the comic, but that is in comparison to the Doc story, so it's hard to judge by that. I'll say this - the art was amazing from what I saw - fitting the tone of the character much better.Jim Shelleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05006833955333061262noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4778276361957351199.post-64324495334619423172010-05-06T07:04:06.501-04:002010-05-06T07:04:06.501-04:00@RKB - you know what would have been cool - a Doc ...@RKB - you know what would have been cool - a Doc Savage series by someone with better art, but in a Digital/Zuda format. <br /><br />Still, considering that a lot of the fans of Doc are old school guys, maybe going digital would turn them off...Jim Shelleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05006833955333061262noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4778276361957351199.post-16484087669777515442010-05-06T07:01:30.323-04:002010-05-06T07:01:30.323-04:00@Reno - yeah, Rags or the Kuberts would been an ex...@Reno - yeah, Rags or the Kuberts would been an excellent choice!Jim Shelleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05006833955333061262noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4778276361957351199.post-6790686683100892872010-05-05T22:19:23.457-04:002010-05-05T22:19:23.457-04:00The artwork didn't bother me. I thought Porter...The artwork didn't bother me. I thought Porter did a decent job of straddling the line of a character that is supposed to be a superhero in everything but a costume. The parts that didn't ring true were all in the writing and much of that dictated by Azzarello's First Wave bible.<br /><br />The Avenger was a complete screw-up.<br /><br />RKB, the publishers and creators don't understand that concept. It's why Dynamite (and the ScyFy channel) think their approach to the Phantom is just ducky and why DC has gone that route with the pulp heroes and the Red Circle line. DC doesn't understand why the new Firestorm, Blue Beetle, Atom, Aquaman didn't succeed, that it's starting the title with a built in handicap.cash_gormanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12071052539938367439noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4778276361957351199.post-15145249107820034922010-05-05T21:44:29.340-04:002010-05-05T21:44:29.340-04:00Disappointing. How was the Justice, Inc backup? ...Disappointing. How was the Justice, Inc backup? I think that was written by Jason Starr who is a pretty good current crime writer. I don't know why DC is bothering with this initiative as you know it's not going to last; why not leave these characters to publishers that will rally cherish and embrace them as centerpieces of their lines?Luke Hhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13912100792059735184noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4778276361957351199.post-75033875823540687332010-05-05T11:13:12.176-04:002010-05-05T11:13:12.176-04:00I agree with your prediction, this title is doomed...I agree with your prediction, this title is doomed to end in a year or less -maybe 10 issues, maybe 9.<br />Porter's art doesn't fit at all, was Darryl Banks not available or interested?<br />I like Doc Savage but cross-over's with Batman isn't going to get it done, and neither is some Nouveau Noir/ Recycled Pulp approach.<br />You can't prize toss away what makes Doc Savage (and other pulp characters) who they are by 'updating/re-imagining' them and expect people who like those characters to buy them just based on the name alone.RKBhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17224002908502972813noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4778276361957351199.post-1975731032352369332010-05-05T10:01:09.156-04:002010-05-05T10:01:09.156-04:00I have to agree. Howard Porter's art doesn'...I have to agree. Howard Porter's art doesn't fit here. I liked the old DC series better with the Kuberts on art. Rags Morales' art was a better fit for the First Wave title (and even there I was annoyed by Commissioner Dolan's characterization).Renohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13706715472542842560noreply@blogger.com